Re: ak 47 vs ak 74 (AK Site. AK-74 Discussion.)

Re: ak 47 vs ak 74
Author: Snakedriver	©	April 22, 2002 at 19:19:59
in reply to: Re: ak 47 vs ak 74* posted by Tomac on April 21, 2002 at 15:54:17*

> Geez, I'm no ballistics expert but here are some thoughts
> off the top of my head. The biggest argument always seems
> to be between lightweight & easily controllable rds vs
> heavier rds w/more range, recoil, penetration &
> effectiveness. Much of the weight in the heavier calibers
> comes from the bullet itself. So, can we design a lighter
> bullet that still gives sufficient penetration and
> effectiveness? For effectivenss I really like what the
> Russians did w/the 5.45 bullet. Very long, very thin (which
> gives it an excellent ballistic coefficient) and the
> airpocket in the tip causes the bullet to yaw very quickly
> on impact thus increasing the speed of significant energy
> dump and damage, especially on peripheral hits. Add a
> hardened steel penetrator (like the 7N6 or SS-109) to
> enhance penetration and just up the caliber a bit (.24?.
> 26?. 28?) and case capacity (to 7.62x39 size?) to handle
> the larger/heavier bullet. Only testing would reveal the
> optimal caliber/weight (what effective range & how much
> penetration is adequate?) Action type? While I'm a big AK
> fan (I believe in the KISS principle and you won't find
> many firearms more KISS'd than the AK!) I believe there is
> room for improvement regarding ergonomics. Perhaps
> something along the line of the AR-180 design? Using robust
> & rugged mags, of course, not the fragile M-16 mag design.
> Just my $.02 worth... Tomac
Interesting. What you described, bullet wise, is basically the 6mm Benchrest round. It's 6mm on a necked down 7.62 X 39. You are a -74 lover I'll grant you that. Me too. Had you heard anything about that report yourself? Sadly, this type of scenario will probably never see the light of day. Our boys will have to soldier on with what they have for many many more years if not decades. We, as a nation, are so slow to adopt better foreign ideas (the AV-8B Harrier being the rare exception) and to adapt to the changing threat and environment that this will just be another discussion for the Smithsonian.

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> > Geez, I'm no ballistics expert but here are some thoughts > > off the top of my head. The biggest argument always seems > > to be between lightweight & easily controllable rds vs > > heavier rds w/more range, recoil, penetration & > > effectiveness. Much of the weight in the heavier calibers > > comes from the bullet itself. So, can we design a lighter > > bullet that still gives sufficient penetration and > > effectiveness? For effectivenss I really like what the > > Russians did w/the 5.45 bullet. Very long, very thin (which > > gives it an excellent ballistic coefficient) and the > > airpocket in the tip causes the bullet to yaw very quickly > > on impact thus increasing the speed of significant energy > > dump and damage, especially on peripheral hits. Add a > > hardened steel penetrator (like the 7N6 or SS-109) to > > enhance penetration and just up the caliber a bit (.24?. > > 26?. 28?) and case capacity (to 7.62x39 size?) to handle > > the larger/heavier bullet. Only testing would reveal the > > optimal caliber/weight (what effective range & how much > > penetration is adequate?) Action type? While I'm a big AK > > fan (I believe in the KISS principle and you won't find > > many firearms more KISS'd than the AK!) I believe there is > > room for improvement regarding ergonomics. Perhaps > > something along the line of the AR-180 design? Using robust > > & rugged mags, of course, not the fragile M-16 mag design. > > Just my $.02 worth... Tomac > Interesting. What you described, bullet wise, is basically the 6mm Benchrest round. It's 6mm on a necked down 7.62 X 39. You are a -74 lover I'll grant you that. Me too. Had you heard anything about that report yourself? Sadly, this type of scenario will probably never see the light of day. Our boys will have to soldier on with what they have for many many more years if not decades. We, as a nation, are so slow to adopt better foreign ideas (the AV-8B Harrier being the rare exception) and to adapt to the changing threat and environment that this will just be another discussion for the Smithsonian.
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